monica crowley

In Part 1 of a two-part discussion on last night's (10/3/07) Hannity & Colmes about Rush Limbaugh and the controversy over his "phony soldiers" remarks, radio talk show host Monica Crowley declared that what was really motivating Democratic attacks against Limbaugh was the desire to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Her "proof?" Some "high profile" Democrats have expressed an interest in reinstating it. With video.

At about 5:50 into the video, Alan Colmes said, "The Republicans in Congress did not want to have to defend what (General) Petraeus was saying, they didn't want to have to defend Bush's policy, they wanted to make three weeks worth of discussion about a word in an ad by MoveOn.org because they could not defend George Bush's Iraq war policy… They'd rather talk about that than their policy."

"Let me pick up on what you just said about the real issues here," Crowley said in response. "There are two big issues that nobody else is talking about. One is the fact that what this real Rush Limbaugh controversy is really all about is the Fairness Doctrine. Because you have had a number of very high profile Democrats, including Senators Clinton and Kerry and Kennedy and Boxer all talking about wanting to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine to silence conservative voices on talk radio like Rush and Sean and me… They're setting up a trail of evidence."

She never said what the other "real" issue was.

Since Crowley is neither a Democrat nor a liberal, she doesn't strike me as the most qualified person to speak about what the real issue is for them. But as a liberal, I think it's pretty obvious that the real issue is the hypocrisy of Republicans who condemn comments from MoveOn and condone them from one of their own.

Crowley was unidentified as Colmes' sister-in-law. Let's hope for his sake that his wife is more appealing than the shrill, self-satisfied and condescending Crowley.

More on the unfair, unbalanced nature of this discussion in my next post. Last night on The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly did a segment criticizing the media's coverage of the war in Iraq. He and Fox News analyst Monica Crowley claimed that the media don't cover enough of the "good news."

Crowley added that the media have a habit of "taking a small story about something small that happened in Iraq and amplifying it." Her example of a "small story"? Abu Ghraib. Even O'Reilly had to admit, "That wasn't small. … That wasn't big." Eventually though, O'Reilly came around and agreed, "Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion." Watch it:


The right wing has consistently tried to downplay the atrocities at Abu Ghraib. In June, Fox and Friends host Greg Kelly said Paris Hilton's jail time sounded "like Abu Ghraib." In May, that same show said that a detainee was "taking advantage of being tortured" by getting media attention. Rep. Steve King (R-IA) once equated the torture at the prison to nothing more than "hazing," and Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) compared it to a "sex ring."

But as former Secretary of State Gen. Colin Powell has noted, the abuses at Abu Ghraib had a "terrible impact" on America's international image and the Bush administration's torture policies have made people around the world start to "question whether we're following our own high standards."

Digg It!

Transcript:

HOST BILL O'REILLY: But look, you're a Democrat, and you know the world. It's hate Bush. Get him at any term.

KIRSTEN POWERS, FOX NEWS ANALYST: I don't know if that's true, Bill.

O'REILLY: Do you think that's true?

MONICA CROWLEY, FOX NEWS ANALYST: I think that members of the elite mainstream press have an ideological agenda that they have put out on the front pages and on the broadcast news and the other channels and the news weeklies since this president was inaugurated in January of '01.

They hated this guy. They hated this war. They still do. They are invested in this narrative that the war is a failure. Because look, it…

O'REILLY: The Washington Post put it on the front page.

CROWLEY: … it's bad for them.

O'REILLY: OK. That's right. If you're looking at it from a purely political point of view, but The Washington Post put it on the front page yesterday, Sunday, that things are going better militarily in Iraq.

CROWLEY: One story. Maybe a handful of stories in about a year of things starting to get better in Iraq. I mean, after years of them bombarding the military.

You know, and I thought General Sanchez's point about them taking a small story about something small that happened in Iraq and amplifying it. For example, Abu Ghraib, which happened on his watch.

O'REILLY: That wasn't small.

CROWLEY: That should have been reported.

O'REILLY: That was big.

CROWLEY: But his point was that they amplified the story.

O'REILLY: Front page story. Right.

CROWLEY: They made it to smear the entire United States military and what they were doing there in the country.

O'REILLY: Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion. But it again comes back to getting Bush.

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Posted by Amanda October 16, 2007 12:19 pm

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Let's put O'Reilly and Limbaugh through some "stress positions" and see how long they survive.

Comment by VerbalKint ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:20 pm




Hey, this just reminded me of the latest version of the Army's recruiting game, America's Army. It's the Abu Ghraib edition.

Comment by JustAGI ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:22 pm

http://fukung.net/ images/ 6628/ guantanamo_wolfenstein.jpg

Comment by JustAGI ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:23 pm




What did Rush call it? A fraternity prank? These people are just scary.

Comment by Candyce ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:26 pm




Imagine how Fox would be braying if if Abu Ghraib had occurred under a Democratic administration.

Comment by Perry logan ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:29 pm




what went on in Abu Ghraib is probably considered "bedroom play" by many neocons, such as O'Reilly, Craig, etc.

Comment by LividLib ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:29 pm




"But it again comes back to getting Bush."

How revealing is this quote by Bill O - all they can relate to is their own tactics. If someone disagrees, "git 'em." Kind of explains "You're either with us or against us," doesn't it? Kind of explains sliming Graeme for standing up for S-CHIP? Kind of explains the whole Rethuglican mindset.

Comment by robbez_92107 ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm




For the next edition (or episode) of the Bare and Phallanced Fock Snooze I'd really like to see Coulter holding a leash attached to a naked O'Reilly.
Stack him up in a pyramind with naked Krystol, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al.

Nominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm




When you're fighting for 10′ at the front, you can't have people giving up ground behind you. Every job requires discipline.

Comment by Bush is a four letter word ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:32 pm




It was such a tiny story it only prompted Rumsfeld to tender his resignation.

Comment by Dumb_Fox ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:32 pm




Nominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm

Fred Hiatt.

Comment by VerbalKint ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:33 pm




Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm

PULEEZE!!! Have you even thought of what that mind picture is with all those pasty white guys NAKED would look like?

Would probably get Jeff Gannon, Mark Foley, Larry Craig and Ted Haggard all hot and staemy, though.

Comment by upside99 ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:35 pm





broadcast news and the other channels and the news weeklies since this president was inaugurated in January of '01.

They hated this guy. They hated this war.


Wasn't he at something like 75% approval after 9/11? People were heaping praise on him between 9/11 and the start of the Iraq war.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:36 pm




It was totally blown out of proportion.

That naked pyramid couldn't have been over 5 feet tall, yet the LIBERAL media treated it like it was a 20 foot naked pyramid.

Comment by Squegeeboo ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:39 pm




Let's do this to these people and see if they still think the Abu Ghraib Scandal Was 'Blown Out Of Proportion'

http://images.google.com/ images?q=Abu+Ghraib+&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

Comment by Clumberfeet ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:40 pm




Even O'Reilly had to admit, "That wasn't small. … That wasn't big."

It was a "Goldilocks Event" - just right, for the conservatives without a conscience crowd.

Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:40 pm




PULEEZE!!! Have you even thought of what that mind picture is with all those pasty white guys NAKED would look like?

AHA! You've uncovered my dastardly plot to sink FockSnooze ratings permanently.

Viewers would be flocking to buy my RUC MemoryImage bleach by the railcar load.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:41 pm




"blown out of proportion"…so is your intelligence. What a Scum Sucking Sick A$$ he still is.
Someone should invite Bill "0 IQ" to a little Waterboarding Fun. No, No, Bill not WaterSports, Waterboarding, you will have a great time. Or maybe a little naked guard dog play would be more of your liking?

Someone Shut this Idiot up.

Buck Fush

Comment by Buckie Boy ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:42 pm




Nominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??
-Comment by RUCerious

Can I play?
I'd put Cheney & Alberto at the bottom, either side of Rice.

Bush has to be on top, because he really was a cheerleader.

Stick Foley & Craig in anywhere, they don't care what or who they stick.
Feith & Wolfowitz are on leashes, pretending to attack.

Scooter is sulking in the corner; they won't let him play anymore.

Laura is taking the picture, trying to get the big one.

McConnell & Hasturd are beside DeLay. Their job is to support anyone in the party, no questions asked.

Boner is crying, saying 'isn't this a beautiful thing'?

Comment by Zimzone ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm




if there was an abu ghraib madlib, it would definitely contain the line "____ was blown out of ____"; however, o'reilly's choice of the words 'scandal' and 'proportion' doesn't reflect what was shown in those abu ghraib pictures.

Comment by cha cha cha ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm




I know this is off the subject, but ladies, gentlemen, and especially, soliders, sharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons because we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia. We cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD's nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations, http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ europe/ 10/ 16/ putin.iran/ index.html.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm




Squegeeboo sez:

That naked pyramid couldn't have been over 5 feet tall, yet the LIBERAL media treated it like it was a 20 foot naked pyramid.

I've misplaced my copy of the KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation manual, Squegee…maybe you can look this up for me. How tall does the naked pyramid have to be before it is objectionable?

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:44 pm




That naked pyramid couldn't have been over 5 feet tall, yet the LIBERAL media treated it like it was a 20 foot naked pyramid.

Comment by Squegeeboo ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:39 pm

If the pyramid had been formed with Haggard, Gannon, Craig, and a same number of their friends, the pyramid may indeed have "risen" to that level.

Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:44 pm




Zimzone ~ nice touch..er, comments!

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:44 pm





It was totally blown out of proportion.


If they think this was damaging to have running in our news coverage, image how many times more damaging it was to have running the news all over the middle east.

It's VERY short sighted and ego-centric to be spending so much time worrying about how that story played over here in the US, when the real damage was done over ther in the middle east.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:45 pm




Sure disgracing the reputation of this nation to the rest of the world is no big deal. The dimwits on the right never bother to notice that the rest of the world finds out about the crap we pull even if the American public doesn't. And while all the right wingnuts might believe that "we don't torture" the rest of the world, especially after seeing the pictures, pretty much knows that we do.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:45 pm




sharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons because we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia.

Uh, no Daredevil. We aren't going to war with Iran, Russia or anyone else, because if we did, we'd get our asses handed to us.

Wake up, moron. We haven't got an army anymore, your leader broke it.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:45 pm




Daryll

Your link, it is bad, you have a period at the end, and extra spacing after each slashy

Comment by Squegeeboo ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:46 pm




"It was totally blown out of proportion.

That naked pyramid couldn't have been over 5 feet tall, yet the LIBERAL media treated it like it was a 20 foot naked pyramid.

Comment by Squegeeboo ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:39 pm"

Really????

Since when is it SOP (standard operating procedure) of treating "prisoners" in this fashion????

It's one thing to treat a "true" enemy different than a "prisoner", but this is not the case. They were treating EVERYONE like this.

So in otherwords…….. If they weren't terrorists then, they are now!

How compassionate of you…..

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:46 pm




sharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons
Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm

Why, Daryll, when did you start "talking dirty"?

Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:46 pm




We cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD's nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations

Funny, I just heard Putin say that, about us…

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:47 pm




Monica Crowley thinks that Abu Ghraib is "a small story about something small that happened in Iraq". In other words, to her it was doubly small. Yet she probably thinks that John McCain being able to buy a woven rug in a Baghdad market with four military helicopters hovering overhead is a giant story.

Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:47 pm




It's VERY short sighted and ego-centric to be spending so much time worrying about how that story played over here in the US, when the real damage was done over ther in the middle east. -Comment by DigDug

O'Really short sighted & ego-centric? Say it ain't so!

Comment by Zimzone ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:48 pm




TripMaster Monkey
How tall does the naked pyramid have to be before it is objectionable?

Unfortunately, the manual was printed using metric units, which are an affront to god, so you'll have to play it by ear.

By ear meaning, of course, that if the naked stack reaches your ear level, it then become objectionable. But only if the stack is white in color, otherwise it's just another Tuesday.

Comment by Squegeeboo ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:48 pm




BTW daryll, this thread is about steamy sleazy naked pyramid builing.
Want to join in?

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:48 pm




>What did Rush call it? A fraternity prank?

Right, the issue of "consent" only being a minor distinction that isnt important in Rush's drug addled mind.

Its similar to arguing that "rape" is the same thing as "consensual sex after dinner and a movie" because the act is similar… try that one out in court and see how far it gets ya!

http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ meast/ 10/ 16/ dad.blackwater/ index.html
"Dad: Blackwater blew up son's and wife's 'skulls'"

heartwarming story eh? the kind of stuff that definitely, no way would it spawn more terrorists or other people who hate our guts…

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:48 pm




Said pyramid has been stalled while Mr. Craig uses the restroom…back in about 2 hours.

Comment by Zimzone ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:50 pm




So war with Russia/Iran gets you all excited Daryll you dim witted buffoon. Do you forget that China will be on the side of Russia and Iran? You probably didn't. Your probably going out shopping for you "rapture ready" outfit. How many years has it been since Germany was a world power? Well we'll all be long gone before the US ever regains any world power one you chickenshit chickenhawks destroy the nation with your money grabbing wars.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm




>we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia.

you wish you sick biblehumping apocalypse lusting closetcase with a whore for a wife.

for the record daryll, amgageddon is something we're prefer to avoid, yes or no?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm




>Your probably going out shopping
> for you "rapture ready" outfit.

Black Latex. He's waiting for Haggard to take him away on the "not gay today" bus….

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:52 pm




I know this is off the subject, but ladies, gentlemen, and especially, soliders, sharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons because we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia. We cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD's nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations, http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ europe/ 10/ 16/ putin.iran/ index.html.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm

Right, Daryll, you skank coward. Oil your weapon, is the K-Y handy? If y8ou are called upon to defend us, i will start learning Russian.

Comment by Lefty Patriot ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:53 pm




>we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia.

you wish you sick biblehumping apocalypse lusting closetcase with a whore for a wife.

for the record daryll, amgageddon is something we're prefer to avoid, yes or no?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm

It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm




>How tall does the naked pyramid
> have to be before it is objectionable?

Pentagon lawyers will have an answer to that one shortly, only reason it hasnt been done already is that Senator Craig bogarted all the research materials..

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:56 pm




Daryll sez:

It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

That's not an answer, Daryll…that's an evasion.

Answer the question.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:57 pm




This whole not enough "good news" business- you can put all the bleach in the world on a bloodstain, it doesn't really get rid of the evidence. Right, Gil Grissom of CSI?

Comment by Uosdwis ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:57 pm




Imagine for a moment American soldiers being captured by Islamic militants and being subjected to the exact same treatment.

Billdo and the like would describe "them" as savages and call for an immediate nuclear strike on the entire middle east.

Comment by Vet ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm




>It is hard to defeat the inevitable

Nice dodge, thats not what I asked. I asked whether trying to delay it as long as possible is a noble cause….

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm




Blown out of proportion? Would it be blown out of proportion if a foreign occupying army had done this "hazing" to American prisoners? Americans would be outraged, and rightly so. Yet when Iraqis are outraged at seeing their own treated in such a humiliating manner (regardless of what crimes the prisoners may or may not have committed), we just suggest they are overreacting.

Oh, the right will say it's OK, because "at least we weren't beheading them like they were doing to us." Everything's relative.

Comment by missmolly ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm





It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll


Assuming any of it's actually true…

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

And THIS is why you Christian fundamentalists are more dangerous to this country than any Islamic fundie will ever be. If you are so ready to meet your maker why don't you go fight in Iraq and do one thing honorable with your life. Or you could do it this way you do everything else you coward punk and just shoot yourself.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:59 pm




>Imagine for a moment American soldiers
> being captured by Islamic militants
> and being subjected to the exact same treatment.

Nice lame attempt at sarcasm Vat…
What in gods name does this have to do with torturing potentially innocent people? Using your assanine inference, we'd make arguments like "imagine for a moment that criminals break the law"…. duh! Does that mean there should be no laws because criminals dont abide by them?

Arent we supposed to be bettter than them? Isnt this sort of thing supposed to be what separates them from us? Arent we totally unconcerned about torturing innocent people?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

Nothjing in that foolish book is inevitable. You goons have been standing around waiting for god to appear for 20 centuries. idiot.

Comment by Lefty Patriot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm




According to Seymour Hersh, who broke the Abu Ghraib story, there are even worse pictures and video than has yet been seen publicly. Hersh says there is a video of a guard sodomizing an Iraqi woman.

Comment by VerbalKint ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

After you're raptured, can we have your stuff?

Comment by Candyce ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm




Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
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You totally missed my point. I'm on your side!

Comment by Vet ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:03 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

It is hard to defeat the willful ignorance of Talibani Christian-istas such as yourself and the suicidal push for world war by you phucking idiots.

Comment by Wayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:07 pm




After you're raptured, can we have your stuff?

Comment by Candyce ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

I'd like his phony meaningless CIS diploma from Oral Roberts University!

My trash can needs a new liner.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:08 pm




Nice lame attempt at sarcasm Vat…

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm

Why are you attacking Vet?

His post was correct. And he is on your side, I may point out.

Comment by Wayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm





Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
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You totally missed my point. I'm on your side!

Comment by Vet


Hehe.. yeah, to me it sounded like Vet was pointing out that Billo and his friends would probably go BERZERK if that pyramid/gay/leash type stuff was done to our soldiers.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

After you're raptured, can we have your stuff?

Comment by Candyce ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm




Hehe.. yeah, to me it sounded like Vet was pointing out that Billo and his friends would probably go BERZERK if that pyramid/gay/leash type stuff was done to our soldiers.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
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That's exactly what I meant. I thought it was pretty clear, but I guess not!

Comment by Vet ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:10 pm




>You totally missed my point. I'm on your side!

its so hard to tell these days..

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:10 pm




Crowley is pathetic. She wants to hear good stories like the US embassy that is 14 million dollars over budget and rising, or the newly built schools that have explosives built into the foundation, or the newly built power grid that can only accomodate less than 8hrs of electricity per day, or the newly created water treatment in Basra that is contaminated with cholera. Perhaps she meant "other" good things.

What a ditz!

Comment by Trizza ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:10 pm




Daryll,

Go pray for Bush or oil your weapon or something. Just go away. We all know where you're going with this (daryll's distorted biblical ruminations).

Comment by LividLib ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:11 pm





Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll


Won't your wife mind the 70 virgins? Or am I getting my extremist religios movements mixed up?

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:11 pm




MEMO:

From: Faux News

To: All reich wing pundits, commentators and interested nitwits.

RE: Pyramid building

You are cordially invited to the filming of the upcoming episode of Faux News in which Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin dominate the naked white boy club members.

Please be advised that no clothing is not optional.

You may bring your own collar, leash, and whip if desired.

Thank you for your prurient interest in this matter.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:11 pm




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
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Do the let Sunday-Morning-Christians into Heaven? If not, the place won't be very crowded.

Comment by Vet ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:12 pm




After you're raptured, can we have your stuff?

Comment by Candyce ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

I'd like his phony meaningless CIS diploma from Oral Roberts University!

My trash can needs a new liner.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:08 pm

It is people like you that are attacking are beloved Chancellor, President Richard Roberts for making accountable transactions. God's people will always be persecuted until he returns.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm




no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

This I never got. If you don't need material shit, why all the references to pearls, gold, etc, which are clearly symbols of materialism..

Dufi (plural of dufus) work in mysterious ways.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm





Crowley is pathetic. She wants to hear good stories like the US embassy that is 14 million dollars over budget and rising, or the newly built schools that have explosives built into the foundation, or the newly built power grid that can only accomodate less than 8hrs of electricity per day, or the newly created water treatment in Basra that is contaminated with cholera. Perhaps she meant "other" good things.

What a ditz!

Comment by Trizza


hehe… maybe the real problem is that there just aren't that many good stories.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm




How tall does the naked pyramid
have to be before it is objectionable?

You been to Egypt before? Valley of the Kings? There's a pyramid. Abu Ghraib didn't have no pyramids, that was just Mark Foley's yoga class.

Comment by Dumb_Fox ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm




I have a new term for war mongers, like Daryll - hemosexuals, meaning people who get aroused by spilling others' blood.

Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:14 pm




"Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm"

I love how people believe a book WRITTEN BY MAN, that this is what is suppose to be waiting for them after death.

In the 2,000 or so years, there has not been ONE ounce of proof that anything in the bible is even remotely true. It is simply a story book that indicates HOW people might/should live their lives.

If you have proof that GOD wrote that book, please provide it…… Show me the stones, or paper, or what ever GOD wrote that down on and prove that it was not writen by a man.

Until you can do that, have fun living in your fantasy world.

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:14 pm




It is people like you that are attacking are beloved Chancellor, President Richard Roberts for making accountable transactions. God's people will always be persecuted until he returns.

BWAHAHA!

how many actual IT courses were you required to take, not counting religion, or other courses? How many core classes and how many electives?

Your degree program is a joke, just like your IT education.

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:14 pm




Daryll sez:

Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

It's always a scream when Fundies go on about Heaven as a tangible location, furnished with materials precious on Earth. Gets me every time.

Daryll, are you going to answer CJ's question now?

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:14 pm




Oh, the right will say it's OK, because "at least we weren't beheading them like they were doing to us." Everything's relative.

Comment by missmolly ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm

Abu Graibh was NOT okay. It was immoral, and an obscene betrayal of what America stands for. Those who commited the acts stood trial. General Sanchez, the new hero of the Left for coming out against the war, saw his career ended by it. It might be the single most damaging PR event of the entire Iraq conflict.

That said, Molly, what was done at AG really does pale in comparison to SOP for AQ when they catch one of our guys alive. I don't think we want to minimize the true differences between our treatment of prisoners and AQ's, at least not if we are shooting for intellectual honesty.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm




Fox Network is acting as a the law offices of GOP.
"Loofah" O'Reilly and his friend Crowely attacking the media again .!!!

What media?

The media is owned by big companies. If the media was fair and honest in their reporting from start, we would not be now in Iraq.
But the media was drumming for war with Iraq & Saddam from start. And they are doing it now for another planned Iran's adventure.
Crowley has no evidence to back up her claims, as usual…she just makes general accusations,and gives justifications of the Iraq debacle we are in now, by again blaming the media,but not the people who got us involved in this Iraqi war from start.

Comment by tarazan ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

Drink much more of that koolaide and you won't have to wait for the mythical, made-up by a crazy American preacher, "Rapture".

I used to believe in Santa Claus too, but one day I grew up.

Comment by Wayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
―――――――――
Do the let Sunday-Morning-Christians into Heaven? If not, the place won't be very crowded.

Comment by Vet ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

It will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm




Why will you need pearls and gold in paradise, Daryll, kindly explain why you cling to material symbols after death?

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:17 pm





It will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.

Comment by Daryll


The rest God in his infinite mercy and wisdom and fatherly love will send to hell where they will be tortured for eternity. Sounds perfectly just to me.

/extreme sarc off

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:18 pm




where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll

Dorita?

Comment by Juan C. ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:19 pm




Blown out of proportion… Geez, small minds for small genitals. Too much koolaid has been added to his Neo-Con Krispies cereal. Send Falafel King, Vampire Kristol, Rash Limpballs, and the other neo-cons to Abu Ghraib with a one way ticket with no return.

Comment by SP Biloxi ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:19 pm




We're still waiting for an answer to Chocolate Jesus' question, Daryll…

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:19 pm




Can't wait to see if Daryll responds to the Faux News memo at #64…

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:20 pm




>It is hard to defeat the inevitable

Nice dodge, thats not what I asked. I asked whether trying to delay it as long as possible is a noble cause….

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm

Yes, we should try to delay the end, but per the bible, regardless of how you feel, war and damnation will occur on this earth. Iran is a threat to Israel as well as western civilization. We must prevent them from causing harm to others. Didn't the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God's chosen people)?

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:20 pm




O'Reilly: Abu Ghraib Scandal Was 'Blown Out Of Proportion

Because they are not white. Who are the barbarians?

Comment by Juan C. ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

Of course there's always a chance you'll be burning in hell for advocated the deaths of millions of innocent people because you believe some crap written by some goons 600 years ago instead of the things Jesus really advocated 2,000 years ago. Better bring your Speedo in case it's really hot.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll

Oh you are such an idiot, the Bible was writen by MAN not GOD, GOD does not exist, it is made up, a faerie tale, like Santa Clause, tooth faerie etc. Your sick wish for the end of times is just that, SICK. I have seen your posts and you are SICK in the HEAD.

Go back to your closet with your stinking bible and flog yourself till you passout.

Buck Fush

Comment by Buckie Boy ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm




Didn't the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God's chosen people)?

Ummm, no. He was commenting on what an Imam had said…

"The Imam [Khomenei] said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," were paralleled with the fall of regimes like the Soviet Union and Iran's former U.S.-installed monarchy

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm




It is people like you that are attacking are beloved Chancellor, President Richard Roberts for making accountable transactions. God's people will always be persecuted until he returns.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm

Uh, Daryll, you must have mistaken us for people who give a shit about your beloved chancellor. How effing dumb and/or crazy are you nutwad?

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm





Israel (God's chosen people)?

Comment by Daryll


I've always wondered about this… why is one ethnic group 'chosen' by God? What does it mean to be 'chosen'? Is it easier for them to get into heaven? God just likes them better? What?

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm




Go back to your closet with your stinking bible and flog yourself till you passout.

Buck Fush

Comment by Buckie Boy ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm

Buckie, he might just have too much fun doing that…

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm




Didn't the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God's chosen people)?
Comment by Daryll

No, that's a scam.

Comment by Juan C. ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm




Daryll sez:

Iran is a threat to Israel as well as western civilization.

How so, Daryll? Quantify the threat.

Didn't the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God's chosen people)?

No, he did not. That's a misquote you deluded Fundies have seized upon, and like a rabid pit bull, refuse to drop.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm




Howza bout filling us in on your Information Technology courses, come on, D, let us know what you studied!!

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:26 pm




"Those who commited the acts stood trial.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm"

Really???

So you know for a fact that the "contractors" who were also doing the same thing and/or worse were prossecuted?????? You know for a fact that the members of the FBI and CIA that were there doing this were prossecuted????

The only ones that were held accountable were the ones who were told to do this! They were following what they considered ORDERS, which is no excuse, but they were not the only ones responsible…..

How about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the other officers that OK'd it?????

I don't see them in jail.

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:27 pm




As much as I hate Bill. He's right in this issue. A lot of Troofers and Moonbats think the call to mess with these Iraqi detainees came from up high, that make no sense considering the fact that these detainees were not important Al Qaida leaders or anything like that. There was no reason to make them talk - they had nothing to talk about. Unless you think that America tortures people just for fun, and films it.

I'm just glad we got the people where were really responsible for this and put them in jail.

Comment by spankbot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:28 pm




"It will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm"

Then we know that YOU and most of the Republican party won't make it there……

What was one of those commandments??????

That's right….. Thou shall not kill!

There are many others that the Repubs, and YOU, throw to the side because they don't fit your needs……. How about "treat others as you would want to be treated"?????? So your saying that you would want to have another country invade yours and destroy everything you own???? Is that what you are saying??

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm




Hmmm. I don't see Generals or Colonels or Majors or Captains in jail…
Hmmmm…

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:31 pm




As much as I hate Bill.
Comment by spankbot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:28 pm

Starting a comment with a lie, what a jackass! You are so obviously an O'Reilly lover it's pathetic. We read your posts yesterday spanky and know that you are a devout follower of Bill and Rush and the rest of Fox. Try leading with one truth next time like I am a total ass.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:32 pm




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll

Without being disrespectfull to your religion, you are wrong. When you and your lovely wife die - that is it. You will be put into a box and placed in the ground. Once in the ground, you will decompose and fade away as the actions and chemistry slowly bring your body back into the earth from where it came. No pearls, no trumpets, no gold, no angels, no nothing.

God is a rumor started thousands of years ago to placate the masses and allow the King to appear mightier than the mere mortal he truly was. Religion is a sham perpetrated on those who value authority. Besides, if you support this adminstration and its war, you are going against what the Pope has said - the war is wrong. It seems confusing to those of us who think for ourselves how you can be a warmonger, yet wrap yourself in the words of an almighty - who stands for peace.

Comment by StratRat ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:33 pm




"I've always wondered about this… why is one ethnic group 'chosen' by God? What does it mean to be 'chosen'? Is it easier for them to get into heaven? God just likes them better? What?

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm"

Yeah…. There is just another example of how the Bible contradicts its self…..

If god created Adam and Eve, then doesn't EVERYONE come from Adam and Eve? So isn't EVERYONE part of god's chosen ones???? How can there be only a certain group if "god" created humans and then decides to discriminate against certain ones??

Doesn't sound like a god I want to know!!!!

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:33 pm





I'm just glad we got the people where were really responsible for this and put them in jail.

Comment by spankbot


Well, I'm glad your fine with it. Now if all those muslims all over the middle east were just fine with it…

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:33 pm




A fraternity prank?

Ummm … not sure what fraternity these guys were in, but mine sure as hell didn't involve electrodes to the genitals, naked dogpiles, and beatings resulting in death.

Lots of drinking? Yes. Some weed? Uh … I think so. ;-)

But torture? Not so much …

What stuns me is what is so rarely reported about Abu Grahib: Most of the prisoners weren't "terrorists" or fighters, but just regular civilian criminals.

Not sure why they gets left out so often ― if our media were so liberal, you'd think they'd flog to death since it makes the whole thing even worse (if that's even possible).

Comment by MarkD ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:33 pm




How about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the other officers that OK'd it?????

I don't see them in jail.

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:27 pm

So you know for a fact someone came to these three and said "we'd like permission to stack naked prisoners in a pyramid"?

Sanchez was the top guy in Iraq and his career was derailed. The woman general….name not coming up….was punished, possibly demoted or cashiered, again, long time ago. SOME of the perps are serving time, I do not know nor do I claim to know if all the guilty were punished, and I suspect you don't either.

But that is besides my actual point - how did AQ's version of JAG punish their guys for beheading and dismembering our guys? Answer: They didn't, they extolled their virtues. I know we are better than that, and I said AG was an obscence betrayal, but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us. It is a huge pet peeve of mine, I don't know that was what Molly was driving at, it just seemed fair to put things in perspective.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:35 pm




"A lot of Troofers and Moonbats think the call to mess with these Iraqi detainees came from up high, that make no sense considering the fact that these detainees were not important Al Qaida leaders or anything like that. There was no reason to make them talk - they had nothing to talk about. Unless you think that America tortures people just for fun, and films it.

I'm just glad we got the people where were really responsible for this and put them in jail.

Comment by spankbot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:28 pm"

Can you say naive?????

Military personnel WOULD NOT do those things unless they were ordered to or approved by the commanders.

The commanders WOULD NOT allow that unless it came from the PENTAGON!!!

The pentagon WOULD NOT allow that unless it was approved by the president.

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:36 pm




We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

We're going to Disneyland!

Comment by Lefty Patriot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:39 pm




So Daryll, any words on your incorrect assumption that Iran′s President (which is not the most influent guy in his country, BTW) said that Israel should be wiped off the map?

Daryll??

mmm…I guess not.

Comment by Juan C. ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:40 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

A 2,000-year old political diatribe about the evils, arrogance and eventual downfall of the Roman Empire is not a valid reason to go to war in the year 2007. Moreover, nothing is inevitable save death. Nothing.

You and yours falling for something like an apocalypse being "inevitable" is called a SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY. You and yours are actively working towards making something that is utterly NOT inevitable come to fruition nonetheless. Your actions, the steady beat of the war drums, the violent rhetoric, the FEAR that is palpable in your every post, is the true evil.

YOU are the enemy in our midst, Daryll. Everything you are doing is leading towards the downfall of America. The path you wish us to take leads towards nothing but ill. If we continue to be an aggressive imperial power, the rest of the world will be forced to take us down more than a few notched, as they did with the Axis Powers in WWII.

The apocalypse has been "absolutely assured" and will occur "within our lifetime" for nearly 2,000 years. Every turn of every century, every turn of every millenium, every major celestial event, every rare occurance, every drought, every blight, every disease, every single damned thing that ever happens is "evidence" that the end is night. The "apocalypse" will never, ever occur without the aid of people like you.

You are the enemy who comes to us draped in the flag, and wielding the crucifix.

Stop attempting to destroy the world because you think (without one iota of evidence) that some invisible dude in the sky wishes it to occur. It is your FEAR of DEATH, and your utter lack of knowledge of what happens after we ALL DIE that drives your irrational behavior.

Comment by Moderation ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:43 pm




We're going to Disneyland!

Comment by Lefty Patriot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:39 pm

Actually, yes, next week!

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:44 pm




"So you know for a fact someone came to these three and said "we'd like permission to stack naked prisoners in a pyramid"?"

Boy are you naive!!!!!! The commanders told them to be "creative" and to feel free to experiment with ways of humiliating them….. This is a FACT!

"Sanchez was the top guy in Iraq and his career was derailed. The woman general….name not coming up….was punished, possibly demoted or cashiered, again, long time ago."

You may want to do some more research!!!! The "woman" was demoted and retired becuase SHE SPOKE UP AGAINST IT and was trashed by this administration for doing so!!!! You see this is what happens when HONORABLE soldiers speak out in uniform, which is why they wait until they are out to do so.

"But that is besides my actual point - how did AQ's version of JAG punish their guys for beheading and dismembering our guys? Answer: They didn't, they extolled their virtues. I know we are better than that, and I said AG was an obscence betrayal, but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us. It is a huge pet peeve of mine, I don't know that was what Molly was driving at, it just seemed fair to put things in perspective.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:35 pm"


Just because a FEW do horrible things in a "war" does not mean that we should lose our bearing and become like them. We did SINK to thier level, and no matter how you try to spin it that is what happened. Bush and everyone below him IS responsible and authorized it! PERIOD!

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:44 pm




but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us. It is a huge pet peeve of mine, I don't know that was what Molly was driving at, it just seemed fair to put things in perspective.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:35 pm

AQ is fully justified in treating INVADERS the way they do. There is no moral equivalency: the US is wrong, completely and utterly. Al Qaeda is just a convenient title for you losers to create another bogey-man for your daddy-figures to scare you with. Especially given the sociopathy eveident in the wingnutoshpere; there is no problem imagining Americans treating invaders the same way, beheading them in front of video cameras. We have all seen the photos of lynchings here in America, as we have seen what little the Bush regime will allow of our crimes in the Middle East, and of Blackwater's treatment at the hands of the mob, fully deserved, and not even surprising. Your American exceptionalism is in your imagination only, not in the real world.

Comment by Lefty Patriot ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:45 pm




And what stopped O'Reilly and Crowley from telling us about the 'good things' that the media is hiding from us in Iraq, if they know about them…? !!

Comment by tarazan ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:53 pm




Keltoi sez:

but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us.

Would you be OK with moral equivalence drawn between us and the Khmer Rouge?

…because the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding.

Sorry, Keltoi, but if the moral equivalent fits…

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:58 pm




*laughs at Daryll*

But…Daryll. The world CAN'T end yet. The Rockies still have to win the World Series first! :) :) :)

Comment by Jeremy in Denver ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:59 pm




Eventually though, O'Reilly came around and agreed, "Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion."

Billo is being his usual arrogant self. "we all agree"? Who is his "all"? As far as I can tell it's just him and the 28%ers. Everyone else in the world thought it was a very big deal. As a matter of fact, I think that we barely scratched the surface of what a scandal it was. We never did get to the bottom of where the orders came from. The only people who paid a price for that scandal were Janet Karpinski (the military's "fall guy") and a few grunts.

Comment by bilbobaggins ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:00 pm




For the next edition (or episode) of the Bare and Phallanced Fock Snooze I'd really like to see Coulter holding a leash attached to a naked O'Reilly.
Stack him up in a pyramind with naked Krystol, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al.
Nominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??
Comment by RUCerious

Now that's a real visual. You forgot the queen of mean, Michelle Malkin. I think she should be on the top of the pyramid exposed for the world to see.

Comment by bilbobaggins ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:02 pm




bilbo, see post #64…

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:03 pm




"It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

After you're raptured, can we have your stuff?
Comment by Candyce ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm"

i got dibs on the Van Impe l.p.'s.

Comment by cha cha cha ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:04 pm




We cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD's nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations, http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ europe/ 10/ 16/ putin.iran/ index.html.
Comment by Daryll

That's correct Right Wing Loon Darryl, we can't allow rogue nations (the USA) to create or have WMD's (like we already have) to aid our own sadistic nation.

Darryl, you are the king of bloviating. I think you out bloviate Billo. Now you are calling Iran a "sadistic nation". What makes them so? Do they torture the people they capture (we do). Are they suppressing the rights and freedom of their people (we do)?

Comment by bilbobaggins ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:05 pm




Daryll ~ TP comic relief extraordinaire!

Comment by RUCerious ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:08 pm




It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll

Right Wing Loon Darryl, I have news for you. There is no way in hell you will make it to heaven. They will slam the door in your face and tell you to go where you belong, and that's straight to hell. Heaven is not open to black-hearted war mongers.

Comment by bilbobaggins ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:13 pm




That said, Molly, what was done at AG really does pale in comparison to SOP for AQ when they catch one of our guys alive. I don't think we want to minimize the true differences between our treatment of prisoners and AQ's, at least not if we are shooting for intellectual honesty.
Comment by Keltoi

Ok, that's what is wrong with this situation. AG was bad but AQ's worse, so we can dismiss AG as being a problem. And I have a question for you Right Wing Loon Keltoi, how do you know that we don't behead our prisoners? How do you know what we do to them? Do you have proof that we don't do it? Just because we don't behead them and then show their heads on TV doesn't mean we don't do it.

Then, of course, we can just blow their heads off like Blackwater did in their recent massacre. I wonder how many new terrorists that incident made?

Comment by bilbobaggins ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:16 pm




Keltoi sez:

but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us.

Would you be OK with moral equivalence drawn between us and the Khmer Rouge?

…because the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding.

Sorry, Keltoi, but if the moral equivalent fits…

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:58 pm

Sure Trip, we are just like the Khmer Rogue. They were fond of pyramids too. But instead of naked prisoners who were later released, their pyramids were formed from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims. Yep, morally equivalent alright.

Hey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?

Neither did I.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:22 pm




Hey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?

Neither did I.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:22 pm

Ummm, no, I believe it is millions DISPLACED (to Syria alone), and hundreds of thousands dead. Do you really think that 60-100 dead Iraqis a day even make the paper any more? But just keep denying the results of this amoral war, I'm sure that it will NEVER come back to haunt us. At least Bush has also taken an interest in killing American children by vetoing S-CHIP, just to even things out a little bit.

Comment by robbez_92107 ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:31 pm




There were no "atrocities" commited at Abu Graib. It never should have happened, sure, and it was an example of bad behavior that people have paid for with time in the brig, and for some, with their military careers. However it was certainly blown out of proportion by the media and liberal congressmen and women in order to lambast the entire military and put shame on the Bush administration. Politics above principle is the order of the day for the modern Democrat Party.

Oh, for the days of Democrats such as Roosevelt and Truman, who understood morale and national security, where such news would have been censored and withheld from the American public, and the situation handled quietly but firmly by the military.

If you want to know what an atrocity is, then do a little research into how our middle eastern enemies treat their captives, or watch a couple beheading videos. Only the most jaded of Bush haters would be unable to tell the difference between what happened at Abu Graib and a real atrocity.

Comment by O. Bigfoot ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:35 pm




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll

Daryll, just what if, you are wrong? What if, when you die, you are told that you have to come back and live as an Iraqi or a Palestinian? What will you do then? Become a mujahedeen? Will you then think it is O.K. to kill or torture Americans or Israelis? How can you be sure that you are right and the rest of the planet (except the Muslim extremists) are wrong?

Comment by Citizen_of_Earth ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:37 pm




Ok, that's what is wrong with this situation. AG was bad but AQ's worse, so we can dismiss AG as being a problem. Comment by bilbobaggins ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:16 pm

My God, Bilbo, you are raving. I have said repeatedly AG was horrible and never said it should be dismissed.

And as for this little gem

>>And I have a question for you Right Wing Loon Keltoi, how do you know that we don't behead our prisoners? How do you know what we do to them? Do you have proof that we don't do it? Just because we don't behead them and then show their heads on TV doesn't mean we don't do it.

How do you know we don't buy them all paid vacations to a spa in Hawaii? What happened to showing your proof? I can't prove the negative. If I said something like what you posted above but in a way that was complimentary toward the US I'd get laughed off this site. Take a breath.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:37 pm




The world CAN'T end yet. The Rockies still have to win the World Series first! :) :) :)

Comment by Jeremy in Denver

Jeremy, you are a no-class punk!

Go Tribe!

Comment by Wilco ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:42 pm




There were no "atrocities" committed at Abu Graib. -o.Bigfoot

Clever saying, El Righto. How's it feel to lie in broad daylight? Oh, you're used to it? I guess that explains it.

'New Mexico. Cleaner than Old Mexico.' Home of O. Bigfoot, too!

Comment by Zimzone ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:42 pm





…because the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding.

Sorry, Keltoi, but if the moral equivalent fits…

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:58 pm

Sure Trip, we are just like the Khmer Rogue. They were fond of pyramids too. But instead of naked prisoners who were later released, their pyramids were formed from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims. Yep, morally equivalent alright.

Comment by Keltoi


We haven't done everything the Khmer Rogue did, but that's not what Tripmaster said was it? He said "the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding".

This country does waterboarding too doesn't it? Moral equivalent.

If you don't like it: complain to the elected officials that you support, not us. We're the ones trying to stop it.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:44 pm




Ummm, no, I believe it is millions DISPLACED (to Syria alone), and hundreds of thousands dead. Do you really think that 60-100 dead Iraqis a day even make the paper any more?
Comment by robbez_92107 ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:31 pm\

Ummmmm, no, as Trip would say "educate yourself"

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/ iraq/ iraqdeaths.html?directory_KEY=104

But I say that tongue in cheek because this site is BS, but Trip firmly believes at least a million and possibly millions of Iraqis have died as a result of the war. I did the math, that comes out to 600 (1 million) to 1200 (2 million) dead Iraqis every single day from March 20, 2003 to today.

And yes, 60-100 dead Iraqis would make the paper. My local paper had an AP story this Sunday that said 4 Iraqis died nationwide on Saturday. This is why the million dead figure is so ludicrous.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:46 pm




Keltoi sez:

Sure Trip, we are just like the Khmer Rogue. They were fond of pyramids too. But instead of naked prisoners who were later released, their pyramids were formed from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims. Yep, morally equivalent alright.

Nice attempt to derail the debate with shocking imagery.

I can do shocking imagery, too.

Not shocking enough? Here's some more.

Now that we're all sufficiently shocked, care to comment on my original point about the torture method of choice of both the U.S. and the Khmer Rouge being waterboarding? Or would you rather just concede the point and move on?

Hey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?

Neither did I.

Thank you for illustrating that the MSM is not doing its job in getting the truth to the American people.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:50 pm




How about Limbaugh and O'Reilly naked with a couple hungry German Shepards (Dogs, that is) that simply love to snack on Kielbasa and Knackwurst?

Comment by Brain From Planet Arous ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm




Wow, some of you left wing loons are really out there. Of course we don't behead our prisoners…you think with a rabid anti-Bush left wing press digging into every corner, and a vocal Democrat Congress just looking for ways to put a lock on the next election, they couldn't come up with a story like that?

Congress is still looking for proof that Bush lied us into war in order to back up their tired old unproven campaign rhetoric, and havn't come up wth anything yet…but they'll keep trying.

Instead, we send our prisoners to places like Club Gitmo, where they get better fed, better clothed, and better housed than most of them have been in their lives. They live in better conditions than many of our active duty troops, and get more freedoms to practice their religion than our troops do as well…after all, we don't want to offend the Iraqis with our Christian beliefs, do we?

But prisoners at Gitmo can spit on and throw feces on the guards with impunity and the guards clean up the mess and get everything spiffed up before prayer time…

Comment by O. Bigfoot ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm




"This is why the million dead figure is so ludicrous.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:46 pm"

I see…… So this method that has been used for decades, is suddenly bogus??

If this figure was coming from some unknown source, I would agree with you. However, this group and the Johns Hopkins Group both came to similar numbers.

This makes the numbers very VALID and factual! But it will be some time before we have the actual numbers as Bush is not going to provide them!

Maybe when he is being tried at the Hague, we will know the real numbers?

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:56 pm




"It will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.

Comment by Daryll

Give me a F***ing break!! A stupid, violent book, written by a bunch of woman haters. And I just love the ending……Monsters coming out of the sea, burning grass and forests, seven trumpets blaring the end of time and space. Ah yes, no wonder you Right Wingers love that Rag.

Personally, I would take Peyote Buttons, A sweat lodge with Native Americans, and maybe some quotes from the Essene Gospel.

Comment by Brain From Planet Arous ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:01 pm




Comment by O. Bigfoot ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm

Not worth a reply.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:05 pm




>>Now that we're all sufficiently shocked, care to comment on my original point about the torture method of choice of both the U.S. and the Khmer Rouge being waterboarding? Or would you rather just concede the point and move on?

Sure - as soon as you concede that AQ is not the Khmer Rogue and KR was an original birdwalk introduced by yourself. Hell, I'd be overjoyed if AQ would mellow out and adopt waterboarding as their tactic. It beats a blowtorch to the eye or a power drill to just about anything.

Hey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?

Neither did I.

Thank you for illustrating that the MSM is not doing its job in getting the truth to the American people.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:50 pm

Spare me. You really think this is happening but the MSM is just so supportive of Bush they are not telling us? Does that seem credible?

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:07 pm




RemoveBush sez:

I see…… So this method that has been used for decades, is suddenly bogus??

Yes, isn't that interesting… Kinda like how exit polls, which were previously the gold standard for predicting outcomes of elections, suddenly became "bogus" in 2000.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:07 pm




"Club Gitmo" - sounds like a perfect place for O. Foot in mouth to go on holiday with the wife and little Rethugs.

Comment by robbez_92107 ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:08 pm




Comment by O. Bigfoot ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm

Not worth a reply.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:05 pm

Really talking to Bigfool and Daryll and Kelpy is like teaching a preschool class. Only difference is preschoolers might actually understand and learn something at the end of the day. The trolls are just tiresome.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:09 pm




This makes the numbers very VALID and factual! But it will be some time before we have the actual numbers as Bush is not going to provide them!

Maybe when he is being tried at the Hague, we will know the real numbers?

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:56 pm

Well, if they do wind up at the Hague you better hope the UN isn't involved in their prosecution since the UN itself says about 70,000 Iraqis have died. I guess the UN is in the tank for Bush, too.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm




Really talking to Bigfool and Daryll and Kelpy is like teaching a preschool class. Only difference is preschoolers might actually understand and learn something at the end of the day. The trolls are just tiresome.

Comment by Shayne ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:09 pm

Wow. I am skewered by the power of your argument.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm




Spare me. You really think this is happening but the MSM is just so supportive of Bush they are not telling us? Does that seem credible?
Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:07 pm

Guess you haven't heard the interviews with tweety lately? That's exactly what's happening for the most part. There are scattered reports that do talk to this, but you wouldn't hear them. Being a Fox Noise machine listener - right?

Most of the media, including the MSM tells very little about what happens in Iraq. You can go view foreign (European) media if you want more details. You won't get it here!

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:11 pm




Wow. I am skewered by the power of your argument.
Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

No, you are skewered by your willful ignorance, you are only enlightened by our arguments - yet you remain in the dark because of that willfulness.

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:12 pm




Wow, some of you left wing loons are really out there. Of course we don't behead our prisoners…you think with a rabid anti-Bush left wing press digging into every corner, and a vocal Democrat Congress just looking for ways to put a lock on the next election, they couldn't come up with a story like that?

Congress is still looking for proof that Bush lied us into war in order to back up their tired old unproven campaign rhetoric, and havn't come up wth anything yet…but they'll keep trying.

Instead, we send our prisoners to places like Club Gitmo, where they get better fed, better clothed, and better housed than most of them have been in their lives. They live in better conditions than many of our active duty troops, and get more freedoms to practice their religion than our troops do as well…after all, we don't want to offend the Iraqis with our Christian beliefs, do we?

But prisoners at Gitmo can spit on and throw feces on the guards with impunity and the guards clean up the mess and get everything spiffed up before prayer time…

Comment by O. Bigfoot

I will comment on this Bizarro BigFart, though Tripmaster.

No the USA does not behead them, just tortures, shocks, shoots, freezes, and stomps. Much better!!??

No proof Bush lied? Where are the WMD's? Congress is so busy with each new Un-Constitutional Scandal, that there is a laundry list they have to sort through. The new lie/scam is Iran, and Russia is flexing it's muscles. You now know the USA will not attack Iran. Bullies do not like to pick on people or countries their own size.

Gitmo is a hell hole. I guess Ripe Limburger was down there for a visit, and was fed some Kosher Pork Chops. Here is another account from Gitmo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3706050.stm

Comment by Brain From Planet Arous ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:13 pm




"Well, if they do wind up at the Hague you better hope the UN isn't involved in their prosecution since the UN itself says about 70,000 Iraqis have died. I guess the UN is in the tank for Bush, too.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm"

Not even comparable…….

The UN is getting numbers from the US and other sources for its figures…. They are NOT conducting real investigations into the validity of those numbers.

If they were to actually take the time and do what those other two organizations did, they too would come to the same numbers……

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:17 pm




Well, if they do wind up at the Hague you better hope the UN isn't involved in their prosecution since the UN itself says about 70,000 Iraqis have died. I guess the UN is in the tank for Bush, too.
Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

The UN count is the official Iraqi government count. They didn't do a separate analysis, as the UN isn't in Iraq. Remember, they left because it was too violent!

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:18 pm




Why do the nuts like bigfoot think that because there are primitive people with primitive ways, it makes it ok for us to do the same things.
Two wrongs make us right?

So if another culture executes fornicators, it'd be ok for us to do that too?

Comment by nellre ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:18 pm




Keltoi sez:

Sure - as soon as you concede that AQ is not the Khmer Rogue and KR was an original birdwalk introduced by yourself.

Very well, AQ is not the Khmer Rouge. For the record, I never claimed they were the same organization.

Hell, I'd be overjoyed if AQ would mellow out and adopt waterboarding as their tactic.

Your characterization of waterboarding as "mellow" showcases your shocking ignorance regarding waterboarding. Why exactly do you think that the Khmer Rouge, an organization that, according to you, formed pyramids "from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims", used waterboarding as their torture method of choice? Hmm?

It beats a blowtorch to the eye or a power drill to just about anything.

Funny you should mention power drills…

Spare me. You really think this is happening but the MSM is just so supportive of Bush they are not telling us? Does that seem credible?

See RemoveBush's post #134. Can you dispute the methodology, or can you not?

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm




See RemoveBush's post #134. Can you dispute the methodology, or can you not?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

We have argued and argued this, Trip, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look at who is on the board of Just Foreign Policy and see some very far left people who have an agenda to advance.

Please don't take this as a concession, it is simply recognizing we have had this duel several times and I am bored with rehashing it. I am sorry I brought it up again. You want to believe 1200 Iraqis died today because of us and no one but Julian Bonds, Tom Hayden et al know about it, fine.

I watch all three cable outlets, PBS, CSPAN, have 10 different international new sites bookmarked and come HERE, of all places! As well as Media Matters and Kos! Please don't accuse me of narrow media intake, if I took in anymore my eyes would pop out.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:27 pm




Instead, we send our prisoners to places like Club Gitmo, where they get better fed, better clothed, and better housed than most of them have been in their lives. They live in better conditions than many of our active duty troops, and get more freedoms to practice their religion than our troops do as well…after all, we don't want to offend the Iraqis with our Christian beliefs, do we?

But prisoners at Gitmo can spit on and throw feces on the guards with impunity and the guards clean up the mess and get everything spiffed up before prayer time…

Comment by O. Bigfoot ― October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm

So why do they go on hunger strikes and commit suicide? Is it because we don't provide wide-screen, HDTVs in each cell? No manicures?

We all empathize with the guards down there who I'm sure would like to see the place shut down as much, if not more, than any "left wing loon".

Comment by LividLib ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:29 pm




Keltoi sez:

We have argued and argued this, Trip, we will just have to agree to disagree.

No,, we haven't, Keltoi. You haven't disputed the methology. All you've done is flaty refuse to consider the evidence that's in front of your nose. That's not argument…that's denial.

I look at who is on the board of Just Foreign Policy and see some very far left people who have an agenda to advance.

Really….and do you see the same "agenda" in the Johns Hopkins Group?

Please don't take this as a concession, it is simply recognizing we have had this duel several times and I am bored with rehashing it.

"Duel"? Refusing to face the facts does not constitute "duelling", Keltoi.

I am sorry I brought it up again.

I'll bet you are…didn't expect me to defend myself, did you?

You want to believe 1200 Iraqis died today because of us and no one but Julian Bonds, Tom Hayden et al know about it, fine.

Nice straw man, but the 1200 number is, as you explained earlier, from a total number of two million. I NEVER claimed two million Iraqis were dead as a result of our involvement in Iraq. The number I support is the number on the website you yourself supplied a link to earlier. It's interesting that you claim that the figure of over one million is ludicrous, yet you seem to find it necessary to distort my position in order to better attack it.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:35 pm




"While in detention of US troops in Baghdad, the diplomat who is currently undergoing medical treatment at a Tehran hospital, was tortured by American troops, according to a report released by the Foreign Ministry's Information and Press Department. "

Funny you should mention power drills…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

Wait a minute - you claim the American media, with Olberman, Rather and all the rest will not report the millions of dead Iraqis, but you actually throw up the state controlled media of a totalitarian theocracy like Iran as a credible source??? That truly says it all.

I have IRNA bookmarked too, BTW, but I would never introduce anything I found there as evidence of anything, anymore than I would introduce anything from a KKK site.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:40 pm




>>I'll bet you are…didn't expect me to defend myself, did you?

as Tweety would say, HAH! Trip, whatever else I may think of you, expecting you to not defend yourself is NOT it :)

>>Nice straw man, but the 1200 number is, as you explained earlier, from a total number of two million. I NEVER claimed two million Iraqis were dead as a result of our involvement in Iraq.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:35 pm

In one of our earlier thread you said "a million if not millions". If I had any clue how to find it I would, but it doesn't matter.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:43 pm




Keltoi sez:

Wait a minute - you claim the American media, with Olberman, Rather and all the rest will not report the millions of dead Iraqis, but you actually throw up the state controlled media of a totalitarian theocracy like Iran as a credible source??? That truly says it all.

First, I can't help but notice that you still haven't challenged the methodology…

Second, if you don't like IRNA, how about the BBC?

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm




I wonder how many dead Iraqis IRNA thinks there are….

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:48 pm




Keltoi sez:

In one of our earlier thread you said "a million if not millions".

No, I don't believe I did. I may have said "millions", since any amount over one million linguistically qualifies, but I would never have said "a million if not millions", since "millions" refers to amounts of one million or more, which would make that phrase redundant to the point of absurdity. If you believe otherwise, prove it.

If I had any clue how to find it I would, but it doesn't matter.

It most certainly does matter. You're the one who's claiming I said two million. Prove I did or retract the claim.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:50 pm




Second, if you don't like IRNA, how about the BBC?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm

I like em fine for passing along what IRNA says:

"Iran's Fars news agency said: "He showed reporters the marks left by torture on his body that are now being treated by doctors." (BBC)

Try again?

And why don't they take pictures of this guys torture wounds and publish them?

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:51 pm




Keltoi sez:

And why don't they take pictures of this guys torture wounds and publish them?

So…let me get this straight…you're now disputing the torture even took place?

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:55 pm




Keltoi sez:

And why don't they take pictures of this guys torture wounds and publish them?

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:58 pm




And why don't they take pictures of this guys torture wounds and publish them?
Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:51 pm

You mean like they did at abu ghraib?

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:09 pm




"Ask, and ye shall receive.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:58 pm"

Damn TM……

Your on top of things….

Comment by RemoveBush ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:09 pm




It most certainly does matter. You're the one who's claiming I said two million. Prove I did or retract the claim.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

Can I? How would I go about finding a comment of yours from archives a couple weeks ago?

Hey, can you get Bilbo to prove we are beheading prisoners or retract the claim while you are at it?

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm




So…let me get this straight…you're now disputing the torture even took place?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

Maybe the filmed rape of a juvenile boy was also just made up? After all, who can believe the US tortures, with all of this evidence of US torturing! It's so blatant, so documented, so clear, so confirmed in court, that it must just be an elaborate hoax. Right? Isn't that what the wingnuts believe?

Wow, they're a twisted little set of loons, aren't they?

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm




Can I? How would I go about finding a comment of yours from archives a couple weeks ago?
Hey, can you get Bilbo to prove we are beheading prisoners or retract the claim while you are at it?
Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm

If you can't find the quote, you shouldn't be using it. Memories are faulty, especially GOP memories!

Well technically speaking it's Iraqi jails where that's probably happening, but those jails are under our jurisdiction.

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:12 pm




And why don't they take pictures of this guys torture wounds and publish them?

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey ― October 16, 2007 @ 3:58 pm

Fair enough - the guy was abused. I think you will be fair enough to admit though that while the pics prove the abuse they do not prove who commited it?

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:17 pm




This is breaking news that the media takes an event (that they consider big OR small) and beats it into the ground??? We are in a fear mongering news and political cycle with no end in sight and the media will make anybody and everybody the bad guy. It is OUR individual responsibility to weed through the propaganda and find the truth. Not an easy task. In the meantime, we allow the media and politicos and the tales they spin to make us anxious, worried, fearful.
I just read a new book entitled FEARPROOF Your Life (How to Thrive in a World Addicted to Fear) by Joseph Bailey. Opened my eyes as to how we can immunize ourselves from agenda-driven tactics of the press.

Comment by Albert Clemens ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:46 pm




" I was subjected to pernicious threats of torture, actual vindictive torture and death threats

Moazzam Begg"

And of course you losers on the left fall all over one another wanting to believe this scumbag!

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:48 pm




Hey, Darryl - Jesus called.

He said to tell you that you're an assh*le.

Comment by Leftside Annie ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:54 pm




Keltoi, master of the Moving Target, I see.

70,000 or 700,000 dead Iraqis ― in the grand scheme of things, it's just an extra zero, turning a VERY BAD number into a HORRIBLE number, but it's obvious that you, Keltoi, have absolutely no love for your nation. If you did, you would be very concerned about how she's viewed by the rest of the world.

Wakeup call time, boy.

I had several friends up in Canada, who I conversed with regularly until 2002. THen we invaded Iraq. Now they won't even talk to me.

Poll after poll after poll supports the idea that the rest of the world fears if not outright hates us. This will affect you and your children, Keltoi, but you obviously don't give a damn. You're too obsessed with proving the 'Libruls' wrong. You'll be happy to see this nation reduced to a third world country, a ghost of its former image, in order to 'win' against the 'Libruls'.

Exist in your world where images of Iraqi citizens stacked naked isn't as bad as beheading, while here in the real world Iraqi freedom fighters team up with Iranians backed by Russians and possibly Chinese, supported by all the nations that would like to see the US get its comeuppance for the whole Iraq issue.

Here's a hint. In the days after 9/11, the US was seen as the good guy as international sympathy poured in for the wounds we suffered that day. Today, that sympathy is gone, and many people are comparing us to the man we deposed in Iraq. Keltoi, why is that?

Comment by Jeremy in Denver ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:54 pm




"And why don't they take pictures of this guys torture wounds and publish them?

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey"

The last picture of the woman holding the bottle is hilarious! Those pictures sure convinced me of CIA torture! What a bunch of "usefull idiots" you liberals are!

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:56 pm




"I had several friends up in Canada, who I conversed with regularly until 2002. THen we invaded Iraq. Now they won't even talk to me.

Comment by Jeremy in Denver"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:59 pm




"many people are comparing us to the man we deposed in Iraq. Keltoi, why is that?

Comment by Jeremy in Denver"

Who?

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:00 pm




"I think you will be fair enough to admit though that while the pics prove the abuse they do not prove who commited it?

Comment by Keltoi"

Are you kidding? These liberals are praying that they were inflicted by the CIA!

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:07 pm




Jeremy,

You are jumping into the middle of a long running argument between me and Trip, my online time is about up so I'll have to catch you later. Lots of folks on TP have said Bush has killed more Iraqis than Saddam - that is why we are arguing over numbers.

I haven't seen you post much, don't know how much you come here, but the statement "Iraqi freedom fighters team up with Iranians backed by Russians and possibly Chinese, supported by all the nations that would like to see the US get its comeuppance for the whole Iraq issue" makes me wonder if your accusation that I don't love my country isn't a personal problem of your own.

See you around, perhaps.

Comment by Keltoi ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:08 pm




"makes me wonder if your accusation that I don't love my country isn't a personal problem of your own.

See you around, perhaps.

Comment by Keltoi"

It's they who don't love their country just read their posts!

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:11 pm




I see the sock puppets have changed.

=================================================
"many people are comparing us to the man we deposed in Iraq.
Keltoi, why is that?

Comment by Jeremy in Denver"

Who?"

=================================================

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5368360.stm

How about the Iraqis themselves?

I don't doubt michael could find more if he tried, it's out there. But he doesn't want to…

================================================
"I had several friends up in Canada, who I conversed with regularly
until 2002. THen we invaded Iraq. Now they won't even talk to me.

Comment by Jeremy in Denver"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
=================================================

Like Keltoi, michael would be just fine with the US being bombed, invaded, and occupied by the armies of Russia and China with the backing of the rest of the world if the 'Libruls' are defeated. He doesn't love his nation, he only loves his Party.

Doesn't that just make you orgasmic, michael? America could burn for all you care, just as long as you are right and the 'Libruls' burn too.

And poor michael has no idea he's just a useful tool for the Conservative Party. Probably thinks he's a Christian too.

Comment by Jeremy in Denver ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:16 pm





Are you kidding? These liberals are praying that they were inflicted by the CIA!

Comment by michael


Actually, we're hoping they are not. You on the other hand don't seem to care.

Comment by DigDug ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:19 pm




Keltoi, I am an irregular poster here. But I've been around enough to recognize the typical troll tactics.

No, I don't want to see America burn. I want to see her seen in the same light we were seen in in the turn of the 21st Century, before we started this foolish endeavor of ours. Bush's Folly, I'd like to call it…

This may surprise you but I'm a moderate libertarian, with the most important aspect for me being liberty. I don't want your governmental utopia's mitts in my private data, and I don't want some massive warmaking machine gearing up for the next war so $$$ can be made.

I'm sick and tired of being told that I'm not patriotic because I question the decision to go to war and the (ongoing) decision to remain there. And don't think that the reason for my questioning is political partisanship. I'm a registered Independent who voted for two Libertarians, a Green, a Republican, and three Democrats in the last election, and didn't complain in 2001 when Bush took office as I thought both candidates were schmucks and actually supported him in the days following 9/11. Big change since then and today. Any guesses as to why?

But keep thinking I'm some kind of hate-america librul, Keltoi. Whatever sooths your ego, dude.

Comment by Jeremy in Denver ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:25 pm




Are you kidding? These liberals are praying that they were inflicted by the CIA!

Comment by michael

Says the guy who regularly accuses liberals of being anti-God.
A hypothesis: trolls post more comments about how progressives, liberals, Democrats are alleged to think than they post their own thoughts because they don't have any of their own.

Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian ― October 16, 2007 @ 6:05 pm




Yep, then they flee when they get called out on it.

Funny how that works. Well, off I go. Time to learn how to bend a computer to my will. *insert evil laugh here* (Yes, it's computer science 2 time…)

Comment by Jeremy in Denver ― October 16, 2007 @ 6:19 pm




It's they who don't love their country just read their posts!
Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:11 pm

Says the extremist that wants to turn the US into a corporatist American edition of Nazi Germany!

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 7:29 pm




The last picture of the woman holding the bottle is hilarious! Those pictures sure convinced me of CIA torture! What a bunch of "usefull idiots" you liberals are!
Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:56 pm

Yeah, ignore all of the trials, and the military admitting there was torture! Just ignore reality! It's what you do best, Ann!

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 7:30 pm




Are you kidding? These liberals are praying that they were inflicted by the CIA!
Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

That wasn't even a cohesive statement! Your Alzheimers is kicking in again! Time to go to the vegetable bin!

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 7:31 pm




And of course you losers on the left fall all over one another wanting to believe this scumbag!
Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

Ironic coming from the wingnuts that were desperate to believe Saddam when RayGun was in power!! "No, Meester RayGun, I won't use those weapons on my own people, only the Eeranians you hate!"…

Poor Ann, you really need to explain again how the Jews need to be perfected!

Comment by republicans hate facts ― October 16, 2007 @ 7:32 pm




O'Reilly,

You're just oily enough . . . you think that you could slip slide thru a little waterboarding. . . kinda like swapping liquids with Ann Coulter.

Twilight Zone . . . let's just give it a go and watch you scream like the infant that you are.

Shut up. You and Ann need to procreate in hell. Ouch . . . the annoyance of an STD.

Comment by rockyroad ― October 16, 2007 @ 8:26 pm




"Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion."

Yeah, really. What's a little torture, rape, and false imprisonment of a few hundred people who are not even American anyway?

/sarcasm off

Comment by Gregor Samsa ― October 16, 2007 @ 9:04 pm




……..But keep thinking I'm some kind of hate-america librul, Keltoi. Whatever sooths your ego, dude.

Comment by Jeremy in Denver ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:25 pm

I have never thought about you and am unlikely to start…

Comment by Keltoi at Night ― October 16, 2007 @ 10:08 pm




But only if the stack is white in color, otherwise it's just another Tuesday.

Comment by Squegeeboo ― October 16, 2007 @ 12:48 pm

A cowardly chikenhawk and a racist to boot. Typical republican!

Comment by foreyes ― October 17, 2007 @ 12:23 am




Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.

Comment by Daryll ― October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

And in the meantime, the rest of us will be suffering the consequences of your fundamentalist warmongering. Where you and your wife are really going is plenty HOT!

Comment by foreyes ― October 17, 2007 @ 12:32 am




Are you kidding? These liberals are praying that they were inflicted by the CIA!

Comment by michael ― October 16, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

Why, do you really think it would be the first time? What a fool!

Comment by foreyes ― October 17, 2007 @ 12:36 am




>Congress is still looking for proof that Bush lied us into war

"we know where the weapons are" "we know without a doubt that saddam has WMD" "they are north, east, south, and west of tikrit".

not lies? we havent found a molecule except what we gave him ourselves 20 years ago. wait, let me me guess, we dont have definite proof he didnt give them to aliens,right?

hey Bigfwat are you ever going to give us an example of something that congress could, in in your mind, legitimately do under the "promoting the general welfare" clause that they couldnt do simply by using the "commerce clause"?

and you know, speaking of torturing us with your logic, there are a FEW people in the world who don't fit into the categoty of either " team america" or "al-queda".. did you ever stop and think that its hard to justify us brutalizing innocent people on the grounds that "al-queda does it more"…what if those innocents have nothing to do with al-queda?

oh, and how do you know everything that went on on abu-gharib? do you have top sercret military clearance as well as being a brilliant yet completely uneducated legal scholar?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 17, 2007 @ 1:27 am




Bill O'Reilly is a Bozo.

No need to get your panties in a wad over any thing he says.

Amazing. Shut up.

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 2:34 am




.

O'Liely, get a freakin' clue, man.

The Liberal Media is leaving you all the "good" stories to tell.

.

Comment by Max-1 ― October 17, 2007 @ 2:49 am




Brilliant Max-1-

What the hell does anything you just wrote mean?

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 2:52 am




oh, and DAryll, you took WAY too long answering my armageddon question to make any of us beleive you arent waiting anxiously with a jar of lube for the apocalypse.

let me promise you one thing.. the only way you ,or any of your troglodye brethern will EVER vanish in a flash of purifying fire one day will be if all the rest of us do also… no matter how long you, i, or anyone of our descendents live, this selective vanishing of flesh will never, ever occur..

keep waiting crockpot…

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 17, 2007 @ 2:56 am




Oh yeah,

I just took some really great shrooms and have been tapping toes at Heathrow . . . a liberal website is where I want to unload.

Go puke, take a nap and call Romney in the morning. Just make sure you unstrap that retreiver from the top of the SUV and clean up the nasty dog fright on the windows.

For Buster, what a long strange trip it's been. (Bing Romney in the head.)

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 2:59 am




oh hey Vet… sorry i ragged on you, where my confusion arose was you said "billo and his ilk" and i thought you were reeferring to biblo baggins from TP and not billow-riley. mea bigfootia

Comment by Chocolate Jesus ― October 17, 2007 @ 3:08 am




Act't ually, I don't do drugs.

All of my eccentricities are are a product of my upbringing. One mom, one pop, horses, cats, dogs, a goat. . . we were perfect.

The all American family may not look like yours . . but . . . perfect.

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 3:36 am




What does your all-American family look like?

Do you have a member without a member? Iraq?

Do you have a parent from another country?

Do you have health insurance?

Does everyone in your family speak english?

Has every adult in your household graduated from college?

If not, welcome to Bush's America.

While this test may seem unrealistic, if you lived in Norway and the questions were slightly changes, you would have made a 98%.

Yeah, we live in the greatest country in the world.

a

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 3:45 am




Oops, that would be "changed" as opposed to "changes".

Also, regardless of where your parents were born, you would ace this test in numerous countries, Sweden, France, Japan, Taiwan, etc. . . we are not the best, get over it.

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 3:50 am




We should be, but face it, we aren't.

Comment by rockyroad ― October 17, 2007 @ 3:51 am




If those two don't think there's enough "good news" from Iraq shown on the news then why don't they send the intrepid Fake News reporters out into the streets of Iraq and do some stories on all that 'good news'. What's stopping them?

Personally, I'd love to see Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Malkin, Savage, Hannity, and the rest of the gang of chickenhawks doing live reports from somewhere outside of the Green Zone with just the support of Iraqi troops. I might even pay to see that!

Comment by TRDaggett ― October 17, 2007 @ 4:55 am




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Bill O'Reilly had Kirsten Powers and Monica Crowley on the Factor as guests tonight 10/01/07 to discuss Jenna Bush's handling of Diane Sawyer's questioning, and Hillary Clinton's idea of gifting each baby born in the US with $5,000. The women were in perfect agreement that Bush handled herself well, "brilliantly," even, and while Powers recognized that the idea from the Clinton camp was just food for thought and needed fleshing out and debate, Crowley pounced on the opportunity to denounce Clinton as a socialist. O'Reilly in turn pounced on the "S" word.
With video.

Kirsten Powers was silent during Crowley's dramatic pronouncements and O'Reilly used the opportunity to remind viewers that Clinton has two multi-million dollar homes. His take on it though is simple - vote buying.

Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri sit in a cave, lavishly appointed with a satellite dish, laptops, and Crabtree and Evelyn bath products. Both are watching a small TV.

Bin Laden: Sheikh Ayman. This new fall TV season is atrocious. I miss The Sopranos.

Zawahiri: Sheikh Osama, you are so right. Don't get me started on Grey's Anatomy. And they just voted off Wayne Newton on Dancing with the Stars. This time, the infidel has gone too far!

Monica Crowley (born September 19, 1968) is a conservative radio and television political commentator based in New York City.

Crowley holds a B.A. in Political Science from Colgate University and a Ph.D in international relations from Columbia University in 1996. In 1990, she became Foreign Policy Assistant to former President Richard Nixon, a post she held from 1990 until his death in 1994. She was an editorial adviser and consultant on his last two books, Seize the Moment (1992) and Beyond Peace (1994). Crowley used this period to record her conversations and observations about Nixon in a diary, and she published two subsequent books on the former President in his final years: Nixon Off the Record: His Candid Commentary on People (1996) and Nixon in Winter (1998).

In the mid-1990s Crowley wrote a column for the New York Post and was a commentator for National Public Radio's "Morning Edition". She has also written for The New Yorker [1], the Wall Street Journal, the LA Times and the Baltimore Sun.

Since 2002, she has her own radio show on WABC Radio in New York called The Monica Crowley Show.


[edit] Television
In 1996, she joined Fox News Channel, where she was a foreign affairs and political analyst. She received her doctorate in International relations from Columbia University during this period. She substituted several times for Sean Hannity on Fox News Channel's Hannity & Colmes. Her sister, Dr. Jocelyn Crowley, is married to Hannity's co-host, Alan Colmes.

In 2004, she joined MSNBC's Connected: Coast to Coast with co-host Ron Reagan. After a nine month run, the last show ran on December 9, 2005. She has appeared as a recurring guest on Imus in the Morning and has hosted MSNBC's broadcast of The Best of Imus in the Morning.

Currently, Crowley is filling in for Jay Severin on WTKK in Boston. Jay Severin is apparently being hired by Infinity Broadcasting and may no longer appear on his weekday afternoon show, Extreme Games. On October 31, 2005, Crowley appeared on The Colbert Report. Following the cancellation of Connected: Coast to Coast, MSNBC announced that Crowley would anchor a program in the noon hour. That program has yet to debut. In mid 2007, Crowley returned to Fox News Channel.